Discussion:
Zynot Board of Directors
Zach Welch
2003-07-18 12:01:18 UTC
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Hi all,

Another long read, but I hope well worth the wait.

= First Board of Directors =

I would like to thank each of the following individuals for stepping
forward to serve on the first board of directors for The Zynot
Foundation (in alphabetical order):

* Ammon Cookson - planning, management, marketing
* Frantz Dihn - EU representation, corporate governance
* Amir Guindehi - EU representation, technical
* Emmett Plant - fundraising, mad science
* Bradley Schrock - legal affairs, licensing
* Sander Striker - EU representation, policies
* Zach Welch - chairman, visionary, ringleader, ...

I have asked that each member provide a brief biography that can be put
on the web site, where we will also post their (still forthcoming)
zynot.org e-mail addresses though which they can be contacted for the
appropriate foundation matters.

These individuals will heavily involved with managing the business
affairs for this new organization, and each will begin to play an active
role in leading areas of the project (if only indirectly). Over time, I
believe firmly that this team will serve our new community well, and I
hope you will come to welcome and respect our efforts in turn.

In the coming months, we will begin to develop those capacities required
to operate Zynot as a successful open source project. I feel fully
confident that the skills being brought to bear on the multitude
of obstacles before us will allow Zynot to overcome and succeed, from
the boardroom to our eager (and patient) development team.

= On Conflicts Of Interest =

In several cases, Zynot board memebers will have various conflict of
interests because of their participation in other ventures, either
within the project or with other business entities. Certainly, I am
going to be first among them.

It will be up to each of the directors to fully disclose any and all of
these conflicts, so that other members of the board (and the community
at large) can monitor any activities that potentially could lead to
unethical behavior - particularly accidental or inadvertant.

Despite my own internal reservations, I can not see any practical way to
avoid these conflicts of interest; this standard practice of consenting
disclosure appears to be our best option, for both the business and the
community.

Speaking for myself, I will feel that I will be walking a tightrope to
avoid the myriad of conflicts that might arise, and I expect the
community and the other directors to share in the vigilance required to
keep me - or other board members - from taking an ethical fall.

As the formal bylaws get into place, these things will be more clearly
spelled out for our own governace and future boards. Finally, I expect
that Brad will shortly set me straight if I have not covered this topic
fully and properly.

= On Secrecy =

With the appointment of The Zynot Foundation's first board of directors,
I must raise some "secrecy-related matters" which I feel the community
must be aware. I raised these issues in a previous messege, and it is
one that I approach with the utmost concern and sincerity.

Some issues need to be addressed in private. At present, there are
intellectual property issues that affect our ability to move forward
with one critical aspect of the organization. Due to the nature of our
legal sytem, these issues must be satisfactorily resolved outside of a
public context.

These issues actively prevent the release of my already tragically late
(and now perhaps over-hyped) management paper. I apologize to everyone
for that continued delay of that material, but these matters can not be
ignored as they could have a rather dramatic impact on our fate.

= On Keeping Secrets =

I do not particularly care for this secrecy; however, these measures
fully aim to serve the community's interests and are absolutely required
given the legal surrounding culture in which the organization has been
established. Even so, this does not prevent their eventual disclosure.

To ensure the community can someday learn from our efforts, I have
directed the creation of a "board members-only" mailing list that will
be used to help us resolve these issues. Other such private
communication mediums will eventually grow to include other private
on-line communication mediums, such as Voice over IP as well as shared
calendar and whiteboard.

These tools will be critical to solving these problems efficiently and
effectively over the distances that span us. Certainly, this
infrastructure will be developed in parallel with similar resources
available for all of our community members, as these "secret" activities
should account for only a portion of the board's involvement with the
project. We will all need these tools in order to get our work done.

= On Full Disclosure =

Until sufficient time passes to enable the foundation to fully disclose
these matters that demand this secrecy, the mailing list server will
quietly collect archives of these conversations. Further, I hope that
all such board-related corresopondance can be collected and archived for
later disclosure.

At some later date, I hope these archives can be made available (in some
form) to the public. I imagine that such an undertaking will be both
time consuming and costly, and only time can tell either if or when such
measures will even become feasible or even necessary.

Certainly, the quantity of data makes full archival storage difficult
(e.g. VoIP) and the potentially sensitive nature will likely require
that all documents be "scrubbed" before being relesed. I hope the
community can learn to trust its leaders and we do not find it necessary
to employ resource intensive measures to address these matters.

I definitely feel that the community deserves such an eventual
disclosure, though I expect a number of folks might groan at my very
mention of this possibility. Certainly, I think there will be much for
the world to learn of these activities: how will these matters turn out
to have been decided and handled? Lessons can be learned.

= Ongoing Disclosure =

I hope the community understands that this "meta-disclosure" means to
demonstrates a small part of the diligence I am taking to protect the
integrity of this distribution.

Beyond this now non-secret yet still private list, the board will
primarily attempt to conduct the majority of its communication through
the "zynot-board" mailing list (sign up today!). We will later probably
want to create a zynot-members lists for "secret community discussions"
to be held out of the prying eyes of the public.

This new public list will be moderated for non-member posts, and the
subscription list will eventually be pruned and restricted to only
members of the foundation - once we finally define membership and
establish the means for tracking it. The private list will be created
shortly, and it will be used exclusively for discussions that are too
secret for even foundation members.

The board may keep secrets, but it will never be allowed to hide that
fact from the community. I have tried to make members of the board
understand the importance of this cultural requirement, and I believe
this to be the best solution given our present circumstances.

= Conclusions =

On that note, the board will begin drafting a version of the bylaws to
be presented to the community as soon as possible. We will then
immediately begin work incorporating the feedback that I just know
everyone is waiting to deliver in return.

It turns out that putting together a board of directors takes a good
deal of time and energy, and this annoucement itself turned out to be
longer than I'd originally planned it to be. I hope that it indicates
how important these issues are to me, and I am trying my best to be
sensitive to the needs of the community - it was not long ago that this
shoe was on my other foot.

Once again, I hope that this extensive discourse has helped address many
of the possible questions and concerns, but I look forward the board
working to try to address any possible issues that may arise.

In the end, I hope that our results will speak for themselves.

Cheers,

Zach Welch
The Zynot Foundation
Mark Gordon
2003-07-18 23:06:07 UTC
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On Fri, 18 Jul 2003 05:01:18 -0700
Post by Zach Welch
Hi all,
Another long read, but I hope well worth the wait.
= First Board of Directors =
I would like to thank each of the following individuals for stepping
forward to serve on the first board of directors for The Zynot
* Ammon Cookson - planning, management, marketing
* Frantz Dihn - EU representation, corporate governance
* Amir Guindehi - EU representation, technical
* Emmett Plant - fundraising, mad science
* Bradley Schrock - legal affairs, licensing
* Sander Striker - EU representation, policies
* Zach Welch - chairman, visionary, ringleader, ...
Very strong on EU and, I assume, US but rather week on the rest of the
world. I'm in the UK so this is not a problem for me, but just out of
interest is it that simply that no one from anywhere else expressed
sufficient interest?

Obviously we can't have direct representation for every country since
the world is far too large.
Post by Zach Welch
I have asked that each member provide a brief biography that can be
put on the web site, where we will also post their (still forthcoming)
zynot.org e-mail addresses though which they can be contacted for the
appropriate foundation matters.
Good.
Post by Zach Welch
These individuals will heavily involved with managing the business
affairs for this new organization, and each will begin to play an
active role in leading areas of the project (if only indirectly).
That's life especially on a project which such as this. I don't have a
problem with it as long as such conflicts are clearly identified, and
you've previously specified a lot of business interest in Linux and
first Gentoo then Zynot. This is a good start.
Post by Zach Welch
Over time, I believe firmly that this team will serve our new
community well, and I hope you will come to welcome and respect our
efforts in turn.
IMHO it will work best if you keep the board small and resist the
temptation to add new members representing every possible group and area
of interest.
Post by Zach Welch
In the coming months, we will begin to develop those capacities
required to operate Zynot as a successful open source project. I feel
fully confident that the skills being brought to bear on the multitude
of obstacles before us will allow Zynot to overcome and succeed, from
the boardroom to our eager (and patient) development team.
Good luck, you will need it to bring some form of order from the chaos
that is your audience/support/customers/contributors. ;-)
Post by Zach Welch
= On Conflicts Of Interest =
In several cases, Zynot board memebers will have various conflict of
interests because of their participation in other ventures, either
within the project or with other business entities. Certainly, I am
going to be first among them.
It will be up to each of the directors to fully disclose any and all
of these conflicts, so that other members of the board (and the
community at large) can monitor any activities that potentially could
lead to unethical behavior - particularly accidental or inadvertant.
Despite my own internal reservations, I can not see any practical way
to avoid these conflicts of interest; this standard practice of
consenting disclosure appears to be our best option, for both the
business and the community.
Speaking for myself, I will feel that I will be walking a tightrope to
avoid the myriad of conflicts that might arise, and I expect the
community and the other directors to share in the vigilance required
to keep me - or other board members - from taking an ethical fall.
May I suggest that relevant information on the board members that is
*already* in the public domain, such as the business of your employer
(for those that have one) etc be included with the biog on the web site?
For example, if I was on the board I would point you at my employers web
site and summarise be saying we write cost management, estimating, B2B
etc SW for the construction industry and use Linux as our platform of
choice for development and deployment of one of our major products.
Obviously I would tart it up ;-)
Post by Zach Welch
As the formal bylaws get into place, these things will be more clearly
spelled out for our own governace and future boards.
Including appropriate disciplinary measures for breach which we all hope
will never be used.
Post by Zach Welch
Finally, I
expect that Brad will shortly set me straight if I have not covered
this topic fully and properly.
= On Secrecy =
With the appointment of The Zynot Foundation's first board of
directors, I must raise some "secrecy-related matters" which I feel
the community must be aware. I raised these issues in a previous
messege, and it is one that I approach with the utmost concern and
sincerity.
Some issues need to be addressed in private. At present, there are
intellectual property issues that affect our ability to move forward
with one critical aspect of the organization. Due to the nature of
our legal sytem, these issues must be satisfactorily resolved outside
of a public context.
Well, we can't have you breaking the law just to keep the rest of us
happy. :-/
Post by Zach Welch
These issues actively prevent the release of my already tragically
late(and now perhaps over-hyped) management paper. I apologize to
everyone for that continued delay of that material, but these matters
can not be ignored as they could have a rather dramatic impact on our
fate.
= On Keeping Secrets =
I do not particularly care for this secrecy; however, these measures
fully aim to serve the community's interests and are absolutely
required given the legal surrounding culture in which the organization
has been established. Even so, this does not prevent their eventual
disclosure.
<snip>
Post by Zach Welch
At some later date, I hope these archives can be made available (in
some form) to the public. I imagine that such an undertaking will be
both time consuming and costly, and only time can tell either if or
when such measures will even become feasible or even necessary.
Certainly, the quantity of data makes full archival storage difficult
(e.g. VoIP) and the potentially sensitive nature will likely require
that all documents be "scrubbed" before being relesed. I hope the
community can learn to trust its leaders and we do not find it
necessary to employ resource intensive measures to address these
matters.
The quantity of data on things like VoIP can potentially be resolved by
minuting the virtual meetings. After all, those on the board will also
need to refer back to what was decided.

Where things need to be left out of the published minutes or email
archives, such as information revealed to you under a non-disclosure
agreement, this can clearly be indicated with the reason for withholding
the information, expected date of revealing it and such summary as is
permitted.
Post by Zach Welch
I definitely feel that the community deserves such an eventual
disclosure, though I expect a number of folks might groan at my very
mention of this possibility. Certainly, I think there will be much
for the world to learn of these activities: how will these matters
turn out to have been decided and handled? Lessons can be learned.
= Ongoing Disclosure =
I hope the community understands that this "meta-disclosure" means to
demonstrates a small part of the diligence I am taking to protect the
integrity of this distribution.
I appreciate it.
Post by Zach Welch
Beyond this now non-secret yet still private list, the board will
primarily attempt to conduct the majority of its communication through
the "zynot-board" mailing list (sign up today!). We will later
probably want to create a zynot-members lists for "secret community
discussions" to be held out of the prying eyes of the public.
This new public list will be moderated for non-member posts, and the
subscription list will eventually be pruned and restricted to only
members of the foundation - once we finally define membership and
establish the means for tracking it. The private list will be created
shortly, and it will be used exclusively for discussions that are too
secret for even foundation members.
The board may keep secrets, but it will never be allowed to hide that
fact from the community. I have tried to make members of the board
understand the importance of this cultural requirement, and I believe
this to be the best solution given our present circumstances.
The board all need to take responsibility for redirecting discussions to
the non-secret list where ever possible, otherwise it will be too easy
for the wrong habits to develop.

If I understand you correctly we will have four classes of lists.

Private to the board.
Moderated board list(s) readable by all.
Private to Zynot members.
Public.

The preference being for everything to be in the least restricted list
possible.
Post by Zach Welch
= Conclusions =
On that note, the board will begin drafting a version of the bylaws to
be presented to the community as soon as possible. We will then
immediately begin work incorporating the feedback that I just know
everyone is waiting to deliver in return.
If my response to this post is anything to go by, you will have a *lot*
of feedback and so a big job incorporating it ;-)
Post by Zach Welch
It turns out that putting together a board of directors takes a good
deal of time and energy, and this annoucement itself turned out to be
longer than I'd originally planned it to be. I hope that it indicates
how important these issues are to me, and I am trying my best to be
sensitive to the needs of the community - it was not long ago that
this shoe was on my other foot.
Once again, I hope that this extensive discourse has helped address
many of the possible questions and concerns, but I look forward the
board working to try to address any possible issues that may arise.
In the end, I hope that our results will speak for themselves.
I appreciate your work and you trying to be as open as possible, even if
I might sometimes it might look as if I am trying to rip a post to
shreds. ;-)
--
Mark Gordon
Paid to be a Geek & a Senior Software Developer
Although my email address says spamtrap, it is real and I read it.
Jonathan Brown
2003-07-20 17:47:30 UTC
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Is the vote for a new name for the distribution going to take place
soon? I like where I think this distribution is going, but I hate the
name. Zynot sounds terrible. People will be more willing to try a new
distro if it has a good name. The longer the name is not changed the
harder it will be to change it because people will get used to it.

There are lots of good names on the list, but my favourite is Akula.

Think about it:

Akula Linux
Akula GNU/Linux
Akula GNU/Hurd
Akula Cygwin
Akula Darwin
Akula BSD


All derivations sound great. To me thats the most important thing - how
it sounds.

Surely we are not going to stick with Zynot.

Jonathan Brown
Emmett Plant
2003-07-20 18:59:10 UTC
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There's always 'Drakula.'

And my favorite, 'Scott Bakula.'

Emm
Post by Jonathan Brown
Is the vote for a new name for the distribution going to take place
soon? I like where I think this distribution is going, but I hate the
name. Zynot sounds terrible. People will be more willing to try a new
distro if it has a good name. The longer the name is not changed the
harder it will be to change it because people will get used to it.
There are lots of good names on the list, but my favourite is Akula.
Akula Linux
Akula GNU/Linux
Akula GNU/Hurd
Akula Cygwin
Akula Darwin
Akula BSD
All derivations sound great. To me thats the most important thing - how
it sounds.
Surely we are not going to stick with Zynot.
Jonathan Brown
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Norbert Bollow
2003-07-23 09:40:13 UTC
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Post by Mark Gordon
Post by Zach Welch
Some issues need to be addressed in private. At present, there are
intellectual property issues that affect our ability to move forward
with one critical aspect of the organization. Due to the nature of
our legal sytem, these issues must be satisfactorily resolved outside
of a public context.
Hmmm...

(just some pondering from me, may be safely ignored :-)
Post by Mark Gordon
Well, we can't have you breaking the law just to keep the rest of us
happy. :-/
While it is true that many legal systems (inluding the US American
one) give strong incentives to addressing some matters in private,
I'm pretty sure that it is possible, without breaking any laws, to
set up an organisation in such a manner that all issues can be
addressed in public. Depending on circumstances, it could possibly
be far from trivial to do so without creating and exposing weaknesses
in ways that allow people to easily destroy the organisation. It may
be wise to avoid trying this unless one finds a law professor who is
willing to work on it pro-bono. Another point is that moving
certain discussions into a public realm (where one needs to weigh
one's words more carefully) could mean that it takes more time to
write responses etc and that could possibly cause unacceptable delays
in getting done what is necessary.

Greetings, Norbert.
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Norbert Bollow, Weidlistr.18, CH-8624 Gruet (near Zurich, Switzerland)
Tel +41 1 972 20 59 Fax +41 1 972 20 69 http://norbert.ch
Aaron Goldblatt
2003-07-23 15:08:24 UTC
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Post by Norbert Bollow
willing to work on it pro-bono. Another point is that moving
certain discussions into a public realm (where one needs to weigh
one's words more carefully) could mean that it takes more time to
write responses etc and that could possibly cause unacceptable delays
in getting done what is necessary.
Alcoholics Anonymous has, in its principles, the idea of "responsibility with
equivalent authority." That is, those who are responsible for something have
the necessary authority to make things happen within their sphere, although of
course they are subject to oversight by their groups. It's an interesting
idea that many companies would be wise to follow.

Also, if the organization we create gets to the point of actually employing
people, it would be unwise in the extreme to carry out personnel discussions
in public.

ag

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